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		<title>Comment on New dinosaur track site in China by paulgarner</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jordan,

With respect to Grand Canyon being carved by the receding floodwaters, I don’t know whether that’s the common understanding among creationists, but it isn’t my view – and neither is it Steve Austin’s view. Steve’s view, which I share, is that the canyon was carved by a catastrophic breaching event some time into the post-Flood era, which resulted in the drainage of large post-Flood lakes that had developed on the Colorado Plateau.

Nor do I think we are forced to hypothesize that organisms were building wave-resistant, framework-bound reefs during the Flood as some critics suggest, although it’s possible that in isolated spots where sedimentation rates were low some small structures of this kind might have developed. I suspect that the structures described as reefs in the Flood-deposited part of the geological record are mostly not reefs in that sense. Many are simply piles of transported reef organisms or fossil fragments floating in a finer matrix of carbonate mud. Others may represent re-deposited pre-Flood reef blocks. In addition, microbial blooms during the Flood probably played a role in rapidly binding loose accumulations of fossiliferous carbonate mud – the importance of microbes for depositing and lithifying carbonates being increasingly recognized in the literature.

On mud cracks, John Whitmore’s chapter in &lt;i&gt;Rock Solid Answers&lt;/i&gt; reviews the various kinds of cracks that occur in the sedimentary record (including desiccation cracks, synaeresis cracks, diastasis cracks, molar tooth structures, clastic dikes and sand intrusions). He describes the characteristics of each based on surveys of the relevant literature and highlights some of the problems of identification and interpretation. As John points out, mud crack horizons need to be carefully studied to see whether is actually evidence of desiccation and he implies that many times conclusions are reached on inadequate evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jordan,</p>
<p>With respect to Grand Canyon being carved by the receding floodwaters, I don’t know whether that’s the common understanding among creationists, but it isn’t my view – and neither is it Steve Austin’s view. Steve’s view, which I share, is that the canyon was carved by a catastrophic breaching event some time into the post-Flood era, which resulted in the drainage of large post-Flood lakes that had developed on the Colorado Plateau.</p>
<p>Nor do I think we are forced to hypothesize that organisms were building wave-resistant, framework-bound reefs during the Flood as some critics suggest, although it’s possible that in isolated spots where sedimentation rates were low some small structures of this kind might have developed. I suspect that the structures described as reefs in the Flood-deposited part of the geological record are mostly not reefs in that sense. Many are simply piles of transported reef organisms or fossil fragments floating in a finer matrix of carbonate mud. Others may represent re-deposited pre-Flood reef blocks. In addition, microbial blooms during the Flood probably played a role in rapidly binding loose accumulations of fossiliferous carbonate mud – the importance of microbes for depositing and lithifying carbonates being increasingly recognized in the literature.</p>
<p>On mud cracks, John Whitmore’s chapter in <i>Rock Solid Answers</i> reviews the various kinds of cracks that occur in the sedimentary record (including desiccation cracks, synaeresis cracks, diastasis cracks, molar tooth structures, clastic dikes and sand intrusions). He describes the characteristics of each based on surveys of the relevant literature and highlights some of the problems of identification and interpretation. As John points out, mud crack horizons need to be carefully studied to see whether is actually evidence of desiccation and he implies that many times conclusions are reached on inadequate evidence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New dinosaur track site in China by Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Paul,

No, you did not claim that the receding floodwaters carved the Grand Canyon. I assumed you believe as much because this is the common understanding among creationists. Steve Austin is often quoted on this matter, and I have not seen any creationist contradict him. If you have a different interpretation about how the canyon formed, I would be interested in hearing it.
You also made no mention of reef formation during the Flood, but this must have been the case as reefs are known from throughout the fossil record.
I don&#039;t have access to the Whitmore article you cited. Does he make the case that all mud cracks in the sedimentary record are syneresis cracks? This is the creationist argument I&#039;m familiar with, though I don&#039;t find it likely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>No, you did not claim that the receding floodwaters carved the Grand Canyon. I assumed you believe as much because this is the common understanding among creationists. Steve Austin is often quoted on this matter, and I have not seen any creationist contradict him. If you have a different interpretation about how the canyon formed, I would be interested in hearing it.<br />
You also made no mention of reef formation during the Flood, but this must have been the case as reefs are known from throughout the fossil record.<br />
I don&#8217;t have access to the Whitmore article you cited. Does he make the case that all mud cracks in the sedimentary record are syneresis cracks? This is the creationist argument I&#8217;m familiar with, though I don&#8217;t find it likely.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seawater chemistry and sea floor spreading by paulgarner</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This study didn’t address what the ratio changes are like in older rocks because it was based on data from calcium carbonate veins in basalts on the modern ocean floor that don’t go back much beyond ~170 Ma (conventional geological date). I don’t know whether other studies have extended the trends further back, say by looking at equivalent data from ancient MORBs or ophiolites.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This study didn’t address what the ratio changes are like in older rocks because it was based on data from calcium carbonate veins in basalts on the modern ocean floor that don’t go back much beyond ~170 Ma (conventional geological date). I don’t know whether other studies have extended the trends further back, say by looking at equivalent data from ancient MORBs or ophiolites.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New dinosaur track site in China by paulgarner</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As with WebMonk’s posts on this thread, I almost don’t know where to start clearing up the misconceptions. When did I ever claim that Grand Canyon was carved by the receding floodwaters, or that fleeing organisms stopped every now and then to build reefs? You beg a lot of questions too. Take “desiccation” cracks, for example – you’ve added a layer of interpretation onto the observations right there. John Whitmore’s chapter on mud cracks in &lt;i&gt;Rock Solid Answers&lt;/i&gt; provides an idea of how field data often sheds a different light altogether on how these things actually formed. Your objections are good knock-about anti-creationism, but I’m not sure they count as a genuine attempt to engage with the issues.

&lt;b&gt;Reference&lt;/b&gt;

Whitmore J. 2009. Do mud cracks indicate multiple droughts during the Flood?, in: Oard M., Reed, J. K. (editors), &lt;i&gt;Rock Solid Answers: The Biblical Truth Behind 14 Geological Questions&lt;/i&gt;, Master Books, Green Forest, Arkansas, pp.167-183.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with WebMonk’s posts on this thread, I almost don’t know where to start clearing up the misconceptions. When did I ever claim that Grand Canyon was carved by the receding floodwaters, or that fleeing organisms stopped every now and then to build reefs? You beg a lot of questions too. Take “desiccation” cracks, for example – you’ve added a layer of interpretation onto the observations right there. John Whitmore’s chapter on mud cracks in <i>Rock Solid Answers</i> provides an idea of how field data often sheds a different light altogether on how these things actually formed. Your objections are good knock-about anti-creationism, but I’m not sure they count as a genuine attempt to engage with the issues.</p>
<p><b>Reference</b></p>
<p>Whitmore J. 2009. Do mud cracks indicate multiple droughts during the Flood?, in: Oard M., Reed, J. K. (editors), <i>Rock Solid Answers: The Biblical Truth Behind 14 Geological Questions</i>, Master Books, Green Forest, Arkansas, pp.167-183.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New dinosaur track site in China by paulgarner</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought long and hard about whether to approve your latest post because I really don&#039;t get the impression from your tone that you&#039;re interested in meaningful dialogue and engagement. I don&#039;t mind objections being raised, or people disagreeing, but frankly if you&#039;re just looking for a platform to ridicule and caricature the creationist position then I&#039;m afraid my blog isn&#039;t it. There aren&#039;t enough hours in the day for me to go through your post and respond to each misconception, especially when I&#039;ve already addressed several of them and you just ignore what I said.

I&#039;d also advise a little caution when you proclaim the evidence for underwater deposition of the Coconino to be &quot;shaky&quot;. The team I&#039;m working with has been intensively studying the Coconino Sandstone for the last several years, with hundreds of hours of fieldwork, literature review and petrography behind us. I can tell you that many of the confident statements about the Coconino in the published literature are incorrect and can be shown to be so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought long and hard about whether to approve your latest post because I really don&#8217;t get the impression from your tone that you&#8217;re interested in meaningful dialogue and engagement. I don&#8217;t mind objections being raised, or people disagreeing, but frankly if you&#8217;re just looking for a platform to ridicule and caricature the creationist position then I&#8217;m afraid my blog isn&#8217;t it. There aren&#8217;t enough hours in the day for me to go through your post and respond to each misconception, especially when I&#8217;ve already addressed several of them and you just ignore what I said.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also advise a little caution when you proclaim the evidence for underwater deposition of the Coconino to be &#8220;shaky&#8221;. The team I&#8217;m working with has been intensively studying the Coconino Sandstone for the last several years, with hundreds of hours of fieldwork, literature review and petrography behind us. I can tell you that many of the confident statements about the Coconino in the published literature are incorrect and can be shown to be so.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New dinosaur track site in China by WebMonk</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The evidence &quot;favoring&quot; underwater deposition is shaky, at best, but as you said that&#039;s a different topic.

The earth was completely covered by day 40, and the land animals and birds were dead by day 40, or soon enough thereafter to make no difference (some birds might have survived for a while by flying - Albatross for example).

So within that 40 day window of time, the waters had to rise at least a mile, probably more. That&#039;s over 130 feet per day! Afterward they may have continued to rise, but you know by at least day 40 the land was completely covered and all the animals were dead.

With water rising like that (ripping up and depositing massive amounts of soil which just points out these were NOT calm waters) there&#039;s no opportunity for the up and down, up and down motion to be bringing land in and out of the Flood waters and land animals to survive swimming in that environment and be washed in and out, in and out, in and out to leave their tracks and build their nests.

Rinse and repeat multiple times, all within 40 days!?!

There are tracks in each and every layer of strata all the way down through the Cambrian (and below, but some things I&#039;ve read have put the Cambrian as the first Flood layer, which causes its own set of issues) - which means there must have been dozens of instances where a section of land came back up above the waters, animals left tracks, and then the land went back down (or the waters again rose over it - 130 ft per day, remember).

How do you get tracks in different strata AND in different layers within the strata on top of each other? Permian, Triassic, Jurassic, Cretaceous, etc, etc.

With the land appearing and reappearing time after time after time, with hundreds of feet of sediment being deposited constantly, presumably with currents strong enough to be moving said sediment, how on earth can there be animals surviving swimming for days/weeks on end (and many of those animals, like Acrocanthosaurus for example, REALLY weren&#039;t made for swimming!) to be washed in, time after time after time, to keep leaving prints and nests?

On one hand you seem to be requiring a relatively calm water environment for animals to be able to survive swimming for extended periods of time.

Then you also need incredibly violent waters rushing along to rip up, transport, and deposit soil.

You need extremely violent tectonic movement to shove land up dozens of feet to get above the waters, and you need it to happen many times in that 40 days, and then you need the waters to again over take the land, or have the land sink back down. (violent tectonics doesn&#039;t suggest swimming waters for animals) Let&#039;s say it takes 10-15 days for the waters to flood the ground the first time, and then it&#039;s all over (for the animals) by day 40 at the very latest - that gives around 25-30 days for the different layers of tracks to be laid down? (there&#039;s an area in Massachussetts that has 20+ different layers with tracks in all of them!) That&#039;s what? A day for each entire cycle to happen, up and down. (and any animals swimming would be washed AWAY from the uprising land)

But you also need for the animals to have time to do things like building nests which takes a lot longer than a day or two.

You have wildly conflicting needs. Flood geology seems to make rationales for specific possibilities without considering the larger picture.

Wild waters vs Swimming waters.
Rapid up and down tectonics vs time for animals to do things like nests.
Deep, rapid water for sand waves vs slow shallow water for some prints.

It&#039;s one thing to say something internally-coherent, and then argue about evidence pro or con.

It&#039;s a totally different thing for the proposition to have self-contradictory requirements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evidence &#8220;favoring&#8221; underwater deposition is shaky, at best, but as you said that&#8217;s a different topic.</p>
<p>The earth was completely covered by day 40, and the land animals and birds were dead by day 40, or soon enough thereafter to make no difference (some birds might have survived for a while by flying &#8211; Albatross for example).</p>
<p>So within that 40 day window of time, the waters had to rise at least a mile, probably more. That&#8217;s over 130 feet per day! Afterward they may have continued to rise, but you know by at least day 40 the land was completely covered and all the animals were dead.</p>
<p>With water rising like that (ripping up and depositing massive amounts of soil which just points out these were NOT calm waters) there&#8217;s no opportunity for the up and down, up and down motion to be bringing land in and out of the Flood waters and land animals to survive swimming in that environment and be washed in and out, in and out, in and out to leave their tracks and build their nests.</p>
<p>Rinse and repeat multiple times, all within 40 days!?!</p>
<p>There are tracks in each and every layer of strata all the way down through the Cambrian (and below, but some things I&#8217;ve read have put the Cambrian as the first Flood layer, which causes its own set of issues) &#8211; which means there must have been dozens of instances where a section of land came back up above the waters, animals left tracks, and then the land went back down (or the waters again rose over it &#8211; 130 ft per day, remember).</p>
<p>How do you get tracks in different strata AND in different layers within the strata on top of each other? Permian, Triassic, Jurassic, Cretaceous, etc, etc.</p>
<p>With the land appearing and reappearing time after time after time, with hundreds of feet of sediment being deposited constantly, presumably with currents strong enough to be moving said sediment, how on earth can there be animals surviving swimming for days/weeks on end (and many of those animals, like Acrocanthosaurus for example, REALLY weren&#8217;t made for swimming!) to be washed in, time after time after time, to keep leaving prints and nests?</p>
<p>On one hand you seem to be requiring a relatively calm water environment for animals to be able to survive swimming for extended periods of time.</p>
<p>Then you also need incredibly violent waters rushing along to rip up, transport, and deposit soil.</p>
<p>You need extremely violent tectonic movement to shove land up dozens of feet to get above the waters, and you need it to happen many times in that 40 days, and then you need the waters to again over take the land, or have the land sink back down. (violent tectonics doesn&#8217;t suggest swimming waters for animals) Let&#8217;s say it takes 10-15 days for the waters to flood the ground the first time, and then it&#8217;s all over (for the animals) by day 40 at the very latest &#8211; that gives around 25-30 days for the different layers of tracks to be laid down? (there&#8217;s an area in Massachussetts that has 20+ different layers with tracks in all of them!) That&#8217;s what? A day for each entire cycle to happen, up and down. (and any animals swimming would be washed AWAY from the uprising land)</p>
<p>But you also need for the animals to have time to do things like building nests which takes a lot longer than a day or two.</p>
<p>You have wildly conflicting needs. Flood geology seems to make rationales for specific possibilities without considering the larger picture.</p>
<p>Wild waters vs Swimming waters.<br />
Rapid up and down tectonics vs time for animals to do things like nests.<br />
Deep, rapid water for sand waves vs slow shallow water for some prints.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to say something internally-coherent, and then argue about evidence pro or con.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a totally different thing for the proposition to have self-contradictory requirements.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New dinosaur track site in China by Jordan</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Webmonk, I think you&#039;ve done a good job of voicing my frustration with Flood geology (if not creation science as a whole). We&#039;re told that the floodwaters were so calm as to preserve the most delicate trace fossils, yet so violent as to carve the Grand Canyon when they receded (a time when Paul just finished saying elsewhere that the waters regressed gradually). We&#039;re told that the animals left behind were forced to flee for their lives in the face of rising waters, but stopped every once in a while to build a nest, scavenge a carcass, or make a reef. We&#039;re told that the floodwaters prevailed high above the world&#039;s tallest mountains, yet were shallow enough to allow things like desiccation cracks, raindrop impressions, and footprints  to be preserved throughout the sedimentary record.
You&#039;re right, Webmonk: these are contradictory claims. And simply reminding myself that the Flood was a complex and hard-to-understand event just doesn&#039;t make these problems go away. It almost sounds like the Flood was depositing so much sediment that, were I there, I would have only been up to my ankles in water at any one time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Webmonk, I think you&#8217;ve done a good job of voicing my frustration with Flood geology (if not creation science as a whole). We&#8217;re told that the floodwaters were so calm as to preserve the most delicate trace fossils, yet so violent as to carve the Grand Canyon when they receded (a time when Paul just finished saying elsewhere that the waters regressed gradually). We&#8217;re told that the animals left behind were forced to flee for their lives in the face of rising waters, but stopped every once in a while to build a nest, scavenge a carcass, or make a reef. We&#8217;re told that the floodwaters prevailed high above the world&#8217;s tallest mountains, yet were shallow enough to allow things like desiccation cracks, raindrop impressions, and footprints  to be preserved throughout the sedimentary record.<br />
You&#8217;re right, Webmonk: these are contradictory claims. And simply reminding myself that the Flood was a complex and hard-to-understand event just doesn&#8217;t make these problems go away. It almost sounds like the Flood was depositing so much sediment that, were I there, I would have only been up to my ankles in water at any one time.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where to begin? I don’t think you’re reckoning seriously with the complexities of a global event like the flood. I know that kind of echoes what Jordan was saying about how creationists respond, but I think it’s true nevertheless. For one thing, the inundatory phase of the flood was longer than 40 days – I think the biblical text indicates 150 days. And it wasn’t all equally violent – sedimentation rates must have varied from time to time and place to place, tectonics must have elevated and depressed blocks of land, and there must have been localized transgressions and regressions superimposed on the overall global trends. I know you’ll dismiss those as &lt;i&gt;ad hoc&lt;/i&gt; hypotheses, but it’s actually difficult to imagine how a global flood could have been otherwise. Interpreting the geological record in terms of such an event is inevitably challenging, but who ever said it would be easy? As for the Coconino, I don’t want to go over old ground – we’ve done that to death elsewhere – but you’ve basically got the same problem I have: how to explain both the tracks and the evidence favouring underwater deposition. My view is that a Flood model will end up doing a better job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where to begin? I don’t think you’re reckoning seriously with the complexities of a global event like the flood. I know that kind of echoes what Jordan was saying about how creationists respond, but I think it’s true nevertheless. For one thing, the inundatory phase of the flood was longer than 40 days – I think the biblical text indicates 150 days. And it wasn’t all equally violent – sedimentation rates must have varied from time to time and place to place, tectonics must have elevated and depressed blocks of land, and there must have been localized transgressions and regressions superimposed on the overall global trends. I know you’ll dismiss those as <i>ad hoc</i> hypotheses, but it’s actually difficult to imagine how a global flood could have been otherwise. Interpreting the geological record in terms of such an event is inevitably challenging, but who ever said it would be easy? As for the Coconino, I don’t want to go over old ground – we’ve done that to death elsewhere – but you’ve basically got the same problem I have: how to explain both the tracks and the evidence favouring underwater deposition. My view is that a Flood model will end up doing a better job.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I think that’s your caricature of what happened. As one author pointed out, with floodwaters about 1 km deep, a tiny one degree difference in slope over a transect 100 km long would translate to a 43 km stretch of exposed land. Even very minor tectonic adjustments would result in the repeated emergence and submergence of land during the Flood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I think that’s your caricature of what happened. As one author pointed out, with floodwaters about 1 km deep, a tiny one degree difference in slope over a transect 100 km long would translate to a 43 km stretch of exposed land. Even very minor tectonic adjustments would result in the repeated emergence and submergence of land during the Flood.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, does the study show sudden ratio changes before and after the Cretaceous point? Are there lots of ratio changes in the Jurrasic layers which would have been laid down in the middle of the Flood?

Are there other studies that show sudden ratio changes of any sort between the pre-Cambrian and later layers like the Ordoclavian, Silurian, etc?

Especially if the RATE study is taken seriously with its claim of million times faster radioactive decay during the Flood, various ratios between all sorts of elements should be drastically different in the Pre-, Intra-, and Post-Flood soils.

(I&#039;m asking this somewhat facetiously since I already know the answer is a &quot;No.&quot; Mainly I&#039;m interested in an idea for why they aren&#039;t drastically different.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, does the study show sudden ratio changes before and after the Cretaceous point? Are there lots of ratio changes in the Jurrasic layers which would have been laid down in the middle of the Flood?</p>
<p>Are there other studies that show sudden ratio changes of any sort between the pre-Cambrian and later layers like the Ordoclavian, Silurian, etc?</p>
<p>Especially if the RATE study is taken seriously with its claim of million times faster radioactive decay during the Flood, various ratios between all sorts of elements should be drastically different in the Pre-, Intra-, and Post-Flood soils.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m asking this somewhat facetiously since I already know the answer is a &#8220;No.&#8221; Mainly I&#8217;m interested in an idea for why they aren&#8217;t drastically different.)</p>
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